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	<title>Comments on: A Lot of Hot Air</title>
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		<title>By: PotatoStew</title>
		<link>http://pleadthefirst.com/2006/07/10/a-lot-of-hot-air/#comment-3877</link>
		<dc:creator>PotatoStew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I pointed out, Bubba, grabbing at glimmers and extrapolating grand theories is exactly what Caruba's source has done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I pointed out, Bubba, grabbing at glimmers and extrapolating grand theories is exactly what Caruba&#8217;s source has done.</p>
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		<title>By: Bubba</title>
		<link>http://pleadthefirst.com/2006/07/10/a-lot-of-hot-air/#comment-3533</link>
		<dc:creator>Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pleadthefirst.com/2006/07/10/a-lot-of-hot-air/#comment-3533</guid>
		<description>"Maybe Bubba, who is a very intelligent man just hasn’t read the fine print of these magazines he is depending on. BB"

It's not just THOSE magazines, Brenda. It's many others to boot.

The inescapable fact is that there is no such thing as "Consensus on Global Warming". The final paragraph on Alan Caruba's post sums it up:

"The problem with folks who absolutely insist that global warming is occurring is that they are desperate to grab at any glimmer of evidence, extrapolating it into a grand theory, all of which always comes back to evil human beings using natural resources to heat, light, and otherwise function in the modern world."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maybe Bubba, who is a very intelligent man just hasn’t read the fine print of these magazines he is depending on. BB&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just THOSE magazines, Brenda. It&#8217;s many others to boot.</p>
<p>The inescapable fact is that there is no such thing as &#8220;Consensus on Global Warming&#8221;. The final paragraph on Alan Caruba&#8217;s post sums it up:</p>
<p>&#8220;The problem with folks who absolutely insist that global warming is occurring is that they are desperate to grab at any glimmer of evidence, extrapolating it into a grand theory, all of which always comes back to evil human beings using natural resources to heat, light, and otherwise function in the modern world.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda Bowers</title>
		<link>http://pleadthefirst.com/2006/07/10/a-lot-of-hot-air/#comment-3519</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenda Bowers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pleadthefirst.com/2006/07/10/a-lot-of-hot-air/#comment-3519</guid>
		<description>I believe Bubba's background is finances and their trade magazines have been poo-pooing global warming for years.  Why I don't know; unless they feel it would be bad for business.  The Heritage Foundation speaks out against global warming then admits that their basis for such judgement is based on the needs of business and industry.  With that statement I stopped going to The Heritage Foundation site for any information; if they adjust their pronouncements on the needs of business rather than facts and go so far as to admit it....well, Dear Lord.  Maybe Bubba, who is a very intelligent man just hasn't read the fine print of these magazines he is depending on.   BB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Bubba&#8217;s background is finances and their trade magazines have been poo-pooing global warming for years.  Why I don&#8217;t know; unless they feel it would be bad for business.  The Heritage Foundation speaks out against global warming then admits that their basis for such judgement is based on the needs of business and industry.  With that statement I stopped going to The Heritage Foundation site for any information; if they adjust their pronouncements on the needs of business rather than facts and go so far as to admit it&#8230;.well, Dear Lord.  Maybe Bubba, who is a very intelligent man just hasn&#8217;t read the fine print of these magazines he is depending on.   BB</p>
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		<title>By: Roch101</title>
		<link>http://pleadthefirst.com/2006/07/10/a-lot-of-hot-air/#comment-3353</link>
		<dc:creator>Roch101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pleadthefirst.com/2006/07/10/a-lot-of-hot-air/#comment-3353</guid>
		<description>"Data from the NOAA seems to contradict that statement."

I used to have great repsect for you PotatoStew, but that really is a low blow. Clearly those who disagree with you are playing on a field of conjecture, guesses, half-knowledge and feelings. For you to throw hard facts into the discussion is really unfair. Shame on you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Data from the NOAA seems to contradict that statement.&#8221;</p>
<p>I used to have great repsect for you PotatoStew, but that really is a low blow. Clearly those who disagree with you are playing on a field of conjecture, guesses, half-knowledge and feelings. For you to throw hard facts into the discussion is really unfair. Shame on you!</p>
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		<title>By: PotatoStew</title>
		<link>http://pleadthefirst.com/2006/07/10/a-lot-of-hot-air/#comment-3339</link>
		<dc:creator>PotatoStew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 05:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pleadthefirst.com/2006/07/10/a-lot-of-hot-air/#comment-3339</guid>
		<description>Hi Alan,

Welcome, and thanks for taking the time to reply.

&lt;b&gt;"Some people find it difficult to believe a person could actually educate themselves to a point of great expertise without attending a college or university."&lt;/b&gt;

It's certainly possible, but when that person appears to be contradicted by people who actually are educated in the relevant fields, and have demonstrated their knowledge by working towards and actual degree, and who have data and studies to support their findings, I'll tend to take their word over the guy who claims to have educated himself.

And, not to be nitpicky, but &lt;a href="http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_founding_fathers_overview.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;about half&lt;/a&gt; of our founding fathers attended or graduated from college.

&lt;b&gt;"to say bluntly that humans are producing all the supposed heat that is generating global warming ignores several fact and factors"&lt;/b&gt;

I don't think anyone is saying that humans are producing the heat, though. We are producing increased amounts of greenhouse gases, which are then trapping the heat.

&lt;b&gt;"The Earth experienced one degree of overall warming between 1850 and 1950. Since then it has been cooling slightly."&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;a href="http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globtemp.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Data from the NOAA&lt;/a&gt; seems to contradict that statement.

&lt;b&gt;"they are desperate to grab at any glimmer of evidence, extrapolating it into a grand theory"&lt;/b&gt;

Considering that this sounds exactly like what's found at iceagenow.com, why didn't you have a problem using Felix as a primary source for your article? You admit in your comment above that you're unsure of how sound his explanation is, but your article appeared rather certain and uncritical of what he was saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alan,</p>
<p>Welcome, and thanks for taking the time to reply.</p>
<p><b>&#8220;Some people find it difficult to believe a person could actually educate themselves to a point of great expertise without attending a college or university.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>It&#8217;s certainly possible, but when that person appears to be contradicted by people who actually are educated in the relevant fields, and have demonstrated their knowledge by working towards and actual degree, and who have data and studies to support their findings, I&#8217;ll tend to take their word over the guy who claims to have educated himself.</p>
<p>And, not to be nitpicky, but <a href="http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_founding_fathers_overview.html" rel="nofollow">about half</a> of our founding fathers attended or graduated from college.</p>
<p><b>&#8220;to say bluntly that humans are producing all the supposed heat that is generating global warming ignores several fact and factors&#8221;</b></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone is saying that humans are producing the heat, though. We are producing increased amounts of greenhouse gases, which are then trapping the heat.</p>
<p><b>&#8220;The Earth experienced one degree of overall warming between 1850 and 1950. Since then it has been cooling slightly.&#8221;</b></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globtemp.html" rel="nofollow">Data from the NOAA</a> seems to contradict that statement.</p>
<p><b>&#8220;they are desperate to grab at any glimmer of evidence, extrapolating it into a grand theory&#8221;</b></p>
<p>Considering that this sounds exactly like what&#8217;s found at iceagenow.com, why didn&#8217;t you have a problem using Felix as a primary source for your article? You admit in your comment above that you&#8217;re unsure of how sound his explanation is, but your article appeared rather certain and uncritical of what he was saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Gedeon</title>
		<link>http://pleadthefirst.com/2006/07/10/a-lot-of-hot-air/#comment-3335</link>
		<dc:creator>Gedeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pleadthefirst.com/2006/07/10/a-lot-of-hot-air/#comment-3335</guid>
		<description>http://www.canary-project.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.canary-project.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.canary-project.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alan Caruba</title>
		<link>http://pleadthefirst.com/2006/07/10/a-lot-of-hot-air/#comment-3327</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Caruba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pleadthefirst.com/2006/07/10/a-lot-of-hot-air/#comment-3327</guid>
		<description>I don't mind being disputed and I am sure neither does Robert Felix, the author of "Ice Age Now." Some people find it difficult to believe a person could actually educate themselves to a point of great expertise without attending a college or university. Ironically, virtually all of the founding fathers were self educated men. Somehow they managed to fashion the oldest living constitution in existance.

However, to say bluntly that humans are producing all the supposed heat that is generating global warming ignores several fact and factors. The Earth in previous eras was much warmer than it is now, i.e., during the millions of years dinosaurs roamed the Earth. What accounted for that heat? Fact: The Earth experienced one degree of overall warming between 1850 and 1950. Since then it has been cooling slightly. In short, there has been no dramatic warming in the last half-century, surely a sufficient amount of time to determine if it was occurring. Lastly, the North and South Poles are not melting. The snow and ice packs are growing.

Frankly, I don't know if undersea volcanoes are generating sufficient heat to warm the oceans, but then it is doubtful such warming is coming from any other source except maybe the Sun. And we do keep forgetting about the role of the Sun, don't we? It too has distinct, known cycles. 

The problem with folks who absolutely insist that global warming is occurring is that they are desperate to grab at any glimmer of evidence, extrapolating it into a grand theory, all of which always comes back to evil human beings using natural resources to heat, light, and otherwise function in the modern world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mind being disputed and I am sure neither does Robert Felix, the author of &#8220;Ice Age Now.&#8221; Some people find it difficult to believe a person could actually educate themselves to a point of great expertise without attending a college or university. Ironically, virtually all of the founding fathers were self educated men. Somehow they managed to fashion the oldest living constitution in existance.</p>
<p>However, to say bluntly that humans are producing all the supposed heat that is generating global warming ignores several fact and factors. The Earth in previous eras was much warmer than it is now, i.e., during the millions of years dinosaurs roamed the Earth. What accounted for that heat? Fact: The Earth experienced one degree of overall warming between 1850 and 1950. Since then it has been cooling slightly. In short, there has been no dramatic warming in the last half-century, surely a sufficient amount of time to determine if it was occurring. Lastly, the North and South Poles are not melting. The snow and ice packs are growing.</p>
<p>Frankly, I don&#8217;t know if undersea volcanoes are generating sufficient heat to warm the oceans, but then it is doubtful such warming is coming from any other source except maybe the Sun. And we do keep forgetting about the role of the Sun, don&#8217;t we? It too has distinct, known cycles. </p>
<p>The problem with folks who absolutely insist that global warming is occurring is that they are desperate to grab at any glimmer of evidence, extrapolating it into a grand theory, all of which always comes back to evil human beings using natural resources to heat, light, and otherwise function in the modern world.</p>
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		<title>By: Gedeon</title>
		<link>http://pleadthefirst.com/2006/07/10/a-lot-of-hot-air/#comment-3287</link>
		<dc:creator>Gedeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 04:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pleadthefirst.com/2006/07/10/a-lot-of-hot-air/#comment-3287</guid>
		<description>I will never understand how some people, faced even with cold hard facts, can still stand there, look you in the eye and say "You are lying!". The very nature of this debate and its powerful implications demand that all involved be true to the *facts* of the matter, not the "Truthiness" as Steven Colbert is fond of saying.

Global warming caused by human activities is an established fact, and all the wishful thinking in Bubba brain, and others like him, won't change that simple truth. We need to move beyond this and start solving the problem since those who refuse to believe will evidently never be part of the solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will never understand how some people, faced even with cold hard facts, can still stand there, look you in the eye and say &#8220;You are lying!&#8221;. The very nature of this debate and its powerful implications demand that all involved be true to the *facts* of the matter, not the &#8220;Truthiness&#8221; as Steven Colbert is fond of saying.</p>
<p>Global warming caused by human activities is an established fact, and all the wishful thinking in Bubba brain, and others like him, won&#8217;t change that simple truth. We need to move beyond this and start solving the problem since those who refuse to believe will evidently never be part of the solution.</p>
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